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8 responses to I don't want any Safari!

1. 1 icerabbit
   Mar 25th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

   I agree.

   I hope plenty of people with give Apple feedback on that.

   Their decision some time back to automatically include iTunes with every installation of QuickTime did not sit well with me either. I install QT on every machine, but some people have no need for an iPod nor iTunes. A couple months later Apple again started offering QT as a standalone package, which is the way it should be, imho. Don't push software on to people. Even if it is fairly good and legitimate software.

   Maybe they're just doing it temporarily to get some news out of it? Pushing Safari to some people, some public outcry and then they will publicly take the higher road ... but people will be curious and get it anyway? Strange tactic, but I can 't help but wonder as it doesn't make regular sense.

2. 2 Bruce
   Mar 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

   Yes, I couldn't remember whether it was iTunes with QuickTime or QuickTime with iTunes ;-)

   They certainly have created publicity and it may well have been a stunt. I hope they think the downward turn on the trust-o-meter was worth it...

3. 3 David
   Mar 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

   The problem appears to be the design of the software update application - and the (probably intentional) laziness of the Apple engineers not to alter it to cater for additional software that is being suggested to a user.

   A prominent method of selecting new software, which the installation of which is off by default, should be the norm - rather than the automatic selection of a checkbox and insidiously installing it by default.

   A little bit of design effort would prevent this and obviate the bad press, but is the marketing department holding too much sway at 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino?

4. 4 Dave Wild
   Mar 25th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

   I gave up on iTunes and Quicktime some time ago so thankfully dodged this particular bullet. There are things that will allow you to play Quicktime files without having to have Quicktime - the fact that stuff like that exists is a sign that people don't like having things thrust upon them.

5. 5 Bruce
   Mar 25th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

   @David: Agree; it's an easy fix... if they can manage to "Think Different".

   @Dave: Would VLC be one of those things? I don't have QuickTime or iTunes on the PC either, basically so I can test what "default" PCs can't play (I've some QT movies buried somewhere on this site). I do like Safari (as it seems do most people giving Apple hell over this) and presume Apple is hoping iPhone bookmark synching will help it gain market share on PC desktops. However, I still think most people who have a reason not to accept Internet Explorer will be the type of people that will install Firefox over Safari anyway, just because it's not as "corporate".

6. 6 Bruce
   Mar 26th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

   via The Reg: "Apple forbids Windows users from installing Safari for Windows"... users are permitted to install the browser on no more than "a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

   LOL

7. 7 Dave Wild
   Mar 26th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

   VLC yeah, I like it because it's fast and not fussy. But there is also QuickTime Alternative and Real Alternative to make both of those things play in your default media player without needing the original applications.

8. 8 Bruce
   Mar 26th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

   But there is also ... Real Alternative

   "Really?" I'm stunned. You might find this historical post amusing, about a support conversation I had with Real.com concerning an alternative to RealPlayer.

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