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32 responses to A web standard icon for geotagging


  1. 1 icerabbit

    Icon & idea certainly approved. Nice and clean.

    I like the design & color. Brown also ties in with official markers of historic & natural sites.

    Maybe the white pin could be a bit whiter on the smallest one?

  2. 2 Bruce

    Brown also ties in with official markers of historic & natural sites.

    Good point. In a behind-the-scenes e-mail exchange it has been suggested that red would be a "more typical" alternative pin colour (or a symbolically similar white pin on a red background). I did make a red version (gradient is #990000 fading to #cc3333—also the colour of the inner stroke; the outer stroke is #993333):

    red32.jpg

    It is possible to edit the icon pixel-by-pixel at 16px to stop the brown pin from looking as "muddy" as has been noted (the current version is simply resized in Photoshop). Here I applied the same whitening to the brown icon as to the red icon at 16px:

    red16.jpg brown16.jpg

    This makes it very clear that the contrast is better for the red version; it does stand out better at this size (which will likely be the most often used). My original choice of an earthy colour was of course in reference to the Earth. As such I felt the colour could also act as an additional visual cue as to the meaning of the tag. What meaning would red have? In fact I had discarded red on two counts. Firstly there are a number of other red icons; brown doesn't seem so popular. Secondly red invokes a sense of something critical e.g. a warning or a stop sign. We wouldn't want people to think "Is that an error/ warning icon?"

    I felt that a red pin with a white background was a non-starter since it won't mimic the "standard" design for the feed/ OMPL/ Share icons and because most people have white page backgrounds, so at 16px especially the icon will become lost on the page.

    Note: The icons on this page are .jpg versions; most folk will probably choose to use 8-bit .png, which I'll provide in the dev kit once we've gathered a bit more feedback.

    I am coming around the to red version if only because it looks better at 16px as Ken said it would. Any other opinions on this?

  3. 3 Ken Rossi

    I definitely think the red is the way to go. Works better small and it also stands out amongst all the colors.

  4. 4 David

    Have to admit that when in use (as above) the red icon is the better.

    I guess we now have the rgb gamut (geo/share/opml) range! Oh yes and an orange one. At least it isn't competing for colour like microformats and share.

  5. 5 iTagger

    I really like the idea of a standard geotag icon and also the reasoning behind the brown colour.

    I would use it in this scenario.
    Note how the bottom right photo has a globe to indicate the photo is geocoded.

    I do agree though that the brown 16px is not quite there yet - but the version in the 2nd post is much better with the improved contrast. Could the pin point be a little sharper to make it look more like a pin? In the 16px version the handle seems too long for the actual pin part - so its not quite as recognisable as a tack as the 32px version (imho).

  6. 6 Stephen Paul Weber

    Interesting idea -- pin doesn't scream 'location' at me though... isn't a globe/map sort of the more universally recognized icon for location data/functions?

  7. 7 Bruce

    Thanks Anon. iTagger #5. The vote at Digg is in favour of red—so far. While I do prefer the rationale of brown we have to be practical about what actually works on screen. We could go halfway, as it were, and make the icon reddish-brown. But we don't want people referring to "that funny-coloured icon". We want them to associate orange = feed; blue = ompl; green = share; and .... red = geotagged. Besides, burgundy is harder to spell and some folk might think we're referring to wine regions ;-)

    At 16px the sharp end of the pin really needs to be 2px in width to be visible. Besides, we can't have multiple variations on a design that are a function of image size; that would only increase confusion. The design should ideally scale with no editing, but the reality of icons at 16px is that they don't scale down perfectly from 512px originals. Changing a pixel here or a pixel there at 16px is a compromise I think we'll have to make, but I'd be loath to start re-editing the other sizes (which IMHO look fine as they are). You're not seeing it here but the first version had no horizontal shadows; the pin looked Ok at 16px but plain boring at larger sizes.

  8. 8 Bruce

    isn't a globe/map sort of the more universally recognized

    A globe at 128px yes, like some of the examples I linked to under "Inspirations". Probably at 32px if you don't cram in too much detail. But not at 16px. At that small size, which is likely to see the most use, it could be a beach ball, a cauliflower, or an overfed bullet point.

  9. 9 icerabbit

    I know first hand it can be tough to deal with 16px icons. You can't "tack" down a 1px wide center line so in this case you're forced to make the pin line 2px wide.

    One thing I have done in the past is changing proportions, making the subject bigger vs the background (in this case a 1 px border instead of 2). Not sure if that could help with the pin proportion mentioned. Could be that it flat out looks out of proportion. Actually ... see email :)

    As a primary the red of course does stand out more than the light brown. Maybe the brown could be a bit darker? To increase the contrast between the pin and background.

  10. 10 David

    Good to see you here icerabbit (off-topic alert) - any life left in iBlog?

    I think if the colour was darker you'd be up against a black blob when reduced (I know I've tried it!) and then there is the added problem of adjusting colour for reduced sizes.

    After trial and error and seeing what Bruce was outputting - I changed from an initial liking of brown, to the primary red. As far as globes go, there are plenty around in the menus of Mac applications, .Mac itself and I see your favicon icerabbit ;)

  11. 11 Dave Wild

    Thanks so much for posting this. The icon is nice, and all of this information has helped me do something I've been wanting to do for ages, but thought it'd be too difficult and cumbersome. Cheers!

  12. 12 Hugh Buzacott

    I just threw together an icon with a 'globe' to stick the pin into. I have it in the topic on Flickr, here.

    Could you throw up an SVG of the icon; I had to piece together my own.

    Thanks,
    HBuz

  13. 13 Bruce

    Could you throw up an SVG of the icon

    Hugh, here is the most recent iteration as an SVG. I think the pin-stuck-in-globe that you/ Mullenkedheim suggest has definite merit and more opinions on this would be great.

  14. 14 Bruce

    Here's an update on the evolving design. We're still working on the colours but think that this version gives us the "tag" (pushpin) and the "geo" (globe) while scaling pretty well.

    semi-final

    What do you think (colour aside)?

  15. 15 Ricardo

    This is me little change version:
    http://unicko.deviantart.com/art/Geotagging-78393454

    I think this is better, or not?

  16. 16 Bruce

    Hi Ricardo; good work! Those rounded corners are definitely in line with the rounding in the other icons (although the effect is lost at 16px). Our little working group is in agreement with the feedback from the discussion on Flickr that the pushpin alone doesn't pay homage to the "geo" part (as I mention in my previous comment). I happen to like the brown because of the "earth" connection and my association of red with "warnings", but the majority prefer the primary red. Here is the .svg of the latest version (differs from the above in colour, pin placement, and pin-point length). Care to have a go rounding this one?

  17. 17 Ricardo

    Another revision:

    revision

  18. 18 Bruce

    Thanks Ricardo. It think the way you detached the globe from the inner stroke works; I'd not considered that. I also like how you've overcome the problem of the pin shaft overlapping the globe without resorting to dividing it into two colours. This visual effect depends upon the globe and the base of the handle being in close proximity; resized to 16px the pin is clear but the curve of the globe is lost to some extent. Nevertheless I happen to like it. Would you do a red version please, using these colours?

  19. 19 Sean

    Great work here guys - cant wait to see the babies everywhere!

    love the collaboration that ended up designing the much better red push pin with the tilt and the globe.

    can't wait to see the finished version with the tilt and the red!

  20. 20 David

    I've put some new (second variety!) variants up on a mock-up GeoTagIcon site - based on these:

    gti-versions

  21. 21 Ricardo

    Ok this is the last revision, i think all is ok.

    http://unicko.deviantart.com/art/GEOtag-78471048

  22. 22 Ricardo
  23. 23 Ricardo

    Sorry but i made a little diference of the white draw scale.

    http://unicko.deviantart.com/art/GEOtag-final-release-78474984

    This is the last release.

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