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	<title>Comments on: Boot an Intel Mac into Ubuntu Linux from iPod</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It IS possible booting Linux from a USB on useless, stupid MacBook Pros (I own a brand new one and I HATE it). You just need to first boot unto a CD that allows you to boot from the USB (stupic Mac):&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmmm....so Apple should automatically create their systems to work with every possible build and feature of Linux right out of the box?  IMO they don&#039;t support such a configuration because it would be too much of a troubleshooting problem.  Their phone support is rated at least 20% higher than any pc company, and trying to support more operating systems than just their own could create a pretty severe decrease in the quality of their phone support.  I don&#039;t think Apple needs to spread themselves thinner to support edge-use cases.  Their strength lies in the fact that they have more control over things than the average pc company.  I&#039;d rather have a stable OS X than full support for 10 different operating systems on the hardware.  Why not buy different hardware if you don&#039;t want to use their operating system?  I understand wanting to dual or triple boot a mac, but I really don&#039;t expect it to be seamlessly supported by Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It IS possible booting Linux from a USB on useless, stupid MacBook Pros (I own a brand new one and I HATE it). You just need to first boot unto a CD that allows you to boot from the USB (stupic Mac):</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm....so Apple should automatically create their systems to work with every possible build and feature of Linux right out of the box?  IMO they don't support such a configuration because it would be too much of a troubleshooting problem.  Their phone support is rated at least 20% higher than any pc company, and trying to support more operating systems than just their own could create a pretty severe decrease in the quality of their phone support.  I don't think Apple needs to spread themselves thinner to support edge-use cases.  Their strength lies in the fact that they have more control over things than the average pc company.  I'd rather have a stable OS X than full support for 10 different operating systems on the hardware.  Why not buy different hardware if you don't want to use their operating system?  I understand wanting to dual or triple boot a mac, but I really don't expect it to be seamlessly supported by Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Peder Moller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peder Moller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It IS possible booting Linux from a USB on useless, stupid MacBook Pros (I own a brand new one and I HATE it). You just need to first boot unto a CD that allows you to boot from the USB (stupic Mac): http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-419427.html

- Peder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It IS possible booting Linux from a USB on useless, stupid MacBook Pros (I own a brand new one and I HATE it). You just need to first boot unto a CD that allows you to boot from the USB (stupic Mac): <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-419427.html" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-419427.html</a></p>
<p>- Peder</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John: thanks for what sounds like a definitive answer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John: thanks for what sounds like a definitive answer!</p>
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		<title>By: John Altenmueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Altenmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So close, yet so far: we have an installation onto the iPod, but can&#039;t boot from it. Does anyone know exactly why this doesn&#039;t work?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s because you&#039;re on a Mac. Macs actually don&#039;t have support for booting &#039;legacy operating systems&#039; (read: anything that&#039;s not OS X) from external hard drives. In other words, your Mac boots Windows simply because it&#039;s a &quot;bail-out&quot; alternative. If you didn&#039;t have Windows installed it gives an &quot;invalid boot disk&quot; error message if I recall correctly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Has anyone tried to use rEFIt as the boot manager, to point to the ipod???&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That won&#039;t work either. rEFIt is nothing more than a bootloader, which means that it still cannot detect/boot non-OS X volumes on external hard drives. If you try it, it&#039;ll give some error message saying that Apple&#039;s firmware doesn&#039;t support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So close, yet so far: we have an installation onto the iPod, but can't boot from it. Does anyone know exactly why this doesn't work?</p></blockquote>
<p>It's because you're on a Mac. Macs actually don't have support for booting 'legacy operating systems' (read: anything that's not OS X) from external hard drives. In other words, your Mac boots Windows simply because it's a "bail-out" alternative. If you didn't have Windows installed it gives an "invalid boot disk" error message if I recall correctly.</p>
<blockquote><p>Has anyone tried to use rEFIt as the boot manager, to point to the ipod???</p></blockquote>
<p>That won't work either. rEFIt is nothing more than a bootloader, which means that it still cannot detect/boot non-OS X volumes on external hard drives. If you try it, it'll give some error message saying that Apple's firmware doesn't support it.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonbuechler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasonbuechler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried to use rEFIt as the boot manager, to point to the ipod???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried to use rEFIt as the boot manager, to point to the ipod???</p>
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		<title>By: jkiv</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been looking to make my dead 5G iPod into a disk that I can keep a Linux install on.  I followed the steps in order until the last one, where it says it doesn&#039;t work!  Ha!

Thanks anyway :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been looking to make my dead 5G iPod into a disk that I can keep a Linux install on.  I followed the steps in order until the last one, where it says it doesn't work!  Ha!</p>
<p>Thanks anyway :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.choc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.choc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone I knew that this would not work although I did have my doubts until i got to step ten were i read it would obviously not work. Let me explain why Ubuntu boots off a boot loader called grub which is loaded through the MBR as most of you know the Mac (any) does not have MBR so it will not boot grub therefore not booting Ubuntu, and last time i checke the ipod does not have an MBR. Regards Dr. Choc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone I knew that this would not work although I did have my doubts until i got to step ten were i read it would obviously not work. Let me explain why Ubuntu boots off a boot loader called grub which is loaded through the MBR as most of you know the Mac (any) does not have MBR so it will not boot grub therefore not booting Ubuntu, and last time i checke the ipod does not have an MBR. Regards Dr. Choc</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right Justin. So now you know to read first then leap :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's right Justin. So now you know to read first then leap :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, so step 10 is &quot;it doesn&#039;t work&quot;? Lame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, so step 10 is "it doesn't work"? Lame!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 17:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ken, I see it is now a Release Candidate. It&#039;s mighty good of them to ship the distro free on CD-ROMs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ken, I see it is now a Release Candidate. It's mighty good of them to ship the distro free on CD-ROMs.</p>
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